A couple of months ago I met a new acquaintance that had some interesting business ideas. As luck would have it, they happened to correlate in part with some ancient ideas of my own and we instantly hit it off. Since then, a little voice in the back of my head has been telling me that I might have a record of the original brainstorming back in 2003. It’s not quite what we’re up to these days, but it is in many ways related. At least it was sort of the spore for me. More on that for a future post, perhaps.
Lo’ behold: I actually managed to find the original IM chat log between me and a good friend sometime first half of 2003 after some searching of archived CD-ROMs [sic], translated in parts from Norwegian. It’s a fun time capsule if nothing more and it’s interesting to see how the assessments and predictions for mobile devices, services and business models we had back in 2003 relate to the mobile reality of 2010 – or not. We even considered launching a few mobile apps, although we never got as far as discussing details, such as the mobile app advertising we would use to generate a successful business.
If you’re of an overly sensitive nature, be warned that this post contains colourful language. I would also state for the record that my references to Nipponese people and Nipponese culture are not meant to be derogatory, defamatory or otherwise insulting. Far from it. I find Japanese people and culture most fascinating and inspiring.
To all telcos that might find statements, opinions and ideas in this post unprofessional – well life just ain’t fair, is it?
My friend’s IM nickname has been changed to protect the guilty. He knows who he is and what he has done. ;)
So with no further ado I’ll let it all hang out here in the open for posterity. What can I say. We were angry young men of low moral fiber young and needed the money:
BlackTar says:
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/business/technology/5987828.htm [link no longer active – nice argument for permalinks – and I was not able to find it on wayback machine. Anyway, I seem to remember the article was about some new dating and geolocation thingy]
BlackTar says:
new? no
BlackTar says:
I’ve had an idea about the perfect Japanese mobile phone along those lines for a long time.. .
BlackTar says:
it’s gotta happen sooner or later – would bee nice to cash in ourselves
Friend says:
I thought this was cool when I read about it back in the tamagotchi days
BlackTar says:
yeah, but think about the possibility to cash in real money on perv nipponese (and the rest of the world for that matters)
Friend says:
I think that would be pretty kick-ass, actually…
BlackTar says:
there once was this Japanese hightech product that would let you plot in sexual and partner preference and it would indicate when someone with the same gizmo and matching profile would be in your vicinity
BlackTar says:
it never took off
Friend says:
not necessarily for perv purposes
BlackTar says:
no, true – but it’s more fun if you think about perverted nipponese
BlackTar says:
well.. . my idea is to enable each and every mobile phone with the same capabilities
Friend says:
separate the crap, sort of
BlackTar says:
either with a Java app together with a server based solution
BlackTar says:
low threshold
BlackTar says:
or just the server solution
BlackTar says:
ref. NetCom Buddy [early Norwegian geolocation service that you could set up in a web interface to have it report by sms where your friends were, based on opt-in consent and triangulation]
BlackTar says:
you can already receive notifications about where your friends are
Friend says:
hmm.. it cannot work other than server side.. or else you need new hardware
BlackTar says:
true, but the interface could be Java
BlackTar says:
instead of sending sms – but sms is a proven business model by now
Friend says:
if it can’t run piggyback on the standard mobile server traffic
BlackTar says:
it is a prerequisite that it can
BlackTar says:
(must)
Friend says:
but you can like request a ‘proximity check’ from the server, anyway.
BlackTar says:
yeah, but you do it via SMS!!!
BlackTar says:
that’s the genious part!
BlackTar says:
you constantly need to BUY services!!
Friend says:
yeahyeah, of course.. just thinking out aloud here
BlackTar says:
I think this is ripe for bigggg bucks
Friend says:
piggybucks!
BlackTar says:
piggy, piggy can’t you see.. .
BlackTar says:
imagine you are about to go out for a night on the town – then you just set up what you are looking for today/tonight – either via sms or web – then you can request proximity checks via sms afterwards
BlackTar says:
I believe and think this is worth insane amounts of money
BlackTar says:
after all – the human sex drive is probably the most proven business model of them all
BlackTar says:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/02/national/02INTE.html
BlackTar says:
wtf
Friend says:
Keep a lid on it!
BlackTar says:
riiiiiiiiiiiiight
BlackTar says:
how much does a patent cost?
Friend says:
the nipponese are probably working on this already.. better sleuth for some industrial espionage on the net
BlackTar says:
you are the only one I’ve told
BlackTar says:
no! I don’t think the nipponese even use sms
BlackTar says:
do they?
BlackTar says:
they probably have some sort of micropayment system
BlackTar says:
but.. . I picture this being just as big in the us of a
Friend says:
are they making money on devices or services or both.. sort of
BlackTar says:
both I think
BlackTar says:
they do have a completely different network
Friend says:
yeah well, usa have discovered sms and teletext only in the recent year or so
BlackTar says:
with 489587347598759 more features and bandwidth
Friend says:
hmm.. but they can’t launch a network just for this? .. probably radio
Friend says:
isn’t it only short distance that is of interest?
Friend says:
or
BlackTar says:
no, it could probably work on the nipponese network too
Friend says:
e.g. sitting at home checking out where the most likeminded are in the city at the moment
BlackTar says:
exactly
BlackTar says:
you can do this today with GSM
BlackTar says:
and probably with anything that sends and receives waves
Friend says:
yeah, with people you know…. ok I know how this can work
BlackTar says:
trinangulation between base stations
Friend says:
yeahyeah
BlackTar says:
it’s going to get much more fun when gps becomes a natural part of a mobile phone
Friend says:
but it can work exactly like the “where are my friends” thing
BlackTar says:
triangulation is even more accurate as of now, tho afaik
Friend says:
you don’t have to send any extra information between phone and central either
BlackTar says:
yeah! and one should also be able to do the “where are my friends” thing too
BlackTar says:
no, it only takes that you opt-in to allow your geolocation to be published
BlackTar says:
you’ll send a simple or advanced query to the server via SMS – it returns what it finds
Friend says:
because the numbers are categorized on the central [server] into interests you’ve been filling out over the internet.. and when one does a “my friends search” it does not search for the numbers you’ve added, but any number they’ve flagged prerequisites
Friend says:
the technology is already there
BlackTar says:
after a proprietary – a la google – sorting
BlackTar says:
there has to be some flexibility in handling the query such as you risk to never get a match [sic]
Friend says:
that you not? or? huh+
BlackTar says:
a lot of the success factor lays thus in the algorithm(s) for handling the matching of criteria
BlackTar says:
understandably you could make this hyper simple too
BlackTar says:
with if/else functions, booleans
Friend says:
hmm.. I don’t really see a problem with this.. you get % numbers on matches and it’s left to the user to decide if that’s good enough, sort of..
Friend says:
a fixed number of hits every time
BlackTar says:
% match is meaningless – ref websearch
Friend says:
hmmm….. can one buy oneself upwards on the lists?
BlackTar says:
hehe
Friend says:
el corrupto
BlackTar says:
that doesn’t work either ref websearch
BlackTar says:
but it’s clear that you have to specify degree of match you want when you request query per sms
BlackTar says:
hihi
BlackTar says:
so you have to send more than 1
BlackTar says:
and it is clear that you need heaps of parameters and features that you can adjust per sms
Friend says:
mo’ money
BlackTar says:
but just enough so that it becomes, stays functional
Friend says:
one can request info on hits
BlackTar says:
so, you see.. . it’s in actual fact the sane as Trepia – only smarter
BlackTar says:
regular people don’t understand hits
BlackTar says:
info on hits? more info, click hear plz
Friend says:
duh
BlackTar says:
tell me more about info on hits
Friend says:
Once you’re a member of the service you can enter personal info about yourself, this can be bought with sms, when MMS gets common you can have images/videos, whatever, too
BlackTar says:
yeah
BlackTar says:
yes
BlackTar says:
info on hit == profiles
BlackTar says:
brb
[snip, snip, snip. Lunch break and a funny digression about Cottage Cheese, Procter & Gamble, Amway and the Church of Satan. It happens, you know.]
BlackTar says:
what’s neat & sweet about the mobile service is that it is remarkably compatible with the multi level marketing [MLM] scheme!!!
BlackTar says:
you have a product (that in addition to be low cost – initial investment only) that people consume and come back to consume
– then you ‘franchise’ the system to agents below you (distribution companies, telcos, etc) who then resell the service to other subcontractors. We collect from every party from the bottom up!!
BlackTar says:
People think this stuff is all pyramid schemes but it’s not – some people say Amway is bad but it’s still going alright
– that’s mlm bringing in the bucks
BlackTar says:
== daddy bigbucks
Friend says:
what’s the name of the friends search service thing from telenor?
BlackTar says:
no idea
BlackTar says:
[the service from] netcom is called ‘buddy’
[snip, snip, snip. A digression about SARS in China, ill friends and travel.]
Friend says:
http://telenormobil.no/mobilinfo/oversikt.jsp
Friend says:
#2
Friend says:
Pick-up tips?!!!! jesus
Friend says:
Jokes?!!! OMG
BlackTar says:
positioning
Friend says:
ho ho!
BlackTar says:
‘It costs NOK 0,0 per message that you receive.’
BlackTar says:
eh?
Friend says:
hmmm.. Whiskey Tango Foxrot ?!
Friend says:
ah.. you pay fixed
BlackTar says:
longitude and latitude?
BlackTar says:
how much does one pay fixed?
Friend says:
or?
Friend says:
no, then they would probably state it
Friend says:
‘The query is free but you have to pay for the answer.’
BlackTar says:
Probably an error
BlackTar says:
‘Get Bible verses directly to the mobile.
It costs NOK 3,0 per message that you receive.’
BlackTar says:
‘when do you want to be notified’
BlackTar says:
haha
BlackTar says:
http://telenormobil.no/mobilinfo/product/categories.jsp?maincategory=ENTERTAINMENT&category=CATEGORY0
BlackTar says:
effing hell
Friend says:
what about a ‘get out of a meeting’ service? Order an incoming call in 20 mins. .. hoho you can use alarm clock wake up services for this
BlackTar says:
yupp
Friend says:
oops.. muyo importante, must go!
BlackTar says:
http://telenormobil.no/mobilinfo/product/product.jsp?productCode=BIORYTMER
Friend says:
hmmmmmm…..hmmmm…mhm…hmhmhm.hm……
BlackTar says:
kiss my.. .
BlackTar says:
“You will receive a total of two messages.
It costs NOK 5,- per received message.”
Friend says:
set sail for cock, assboat!
BlackTar says:
I too want to cash in on this NOW!!!
Friend says:
serialz straight to your mobile
BlackTar says:
gotta talk to [other friend].. . He knows some people who do bulk SMS server solutions
BlackTar says:
hihi
BlackTar says:
l/p pr0n craxx0r
BlackTar says:
abuse
BlackTar says:
send a message with the code ‘idiot’ and get an incoming call telling you off for being stupid enough to waste NOK 10,00 on the service
BlackTar says:
that would probably work too
Friend says:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… do you have a link to that ‘buddy’ thing?
BlackTar says:
http://www.netcom.no/
Friend says:
kinda wondering what kind of info you get back? your friend is situated at 4525 degrees north, 34 clicks west at sea level 341345?
BlackTar says:
in the street with number of the house
BlackTar says:
have tested
Friend says:
kool
BlackTar says:
http://mother.netcom.no/Forside/index.html
BlackTar says:
http://mother.netcom.no/Login/login_page.html?org=%2FBuddy%2Findex.html
Friend says:
if one does not find funding in a hurry, then it’s just to send a registered letter that explains the gig to telenor and netcom.. wait ca 1 year and then sue..
BlackTar says:
yup – file at lawyer and deposit box
BlackTar says:
stupid pages
BlackTar says:
ah! I got the buddy password right now
BlackTar says:
neat
BlackTar says:
can log in everywhere at netcom without being registered
Friend says:
yes, so get it theeeeeeeeeeeeeen
Friend says:
usually receives it immediately
BlackTar says:
yup
BlackTar says:
you got netcom?
Friend says:
yes
BlackTar says:
okidoki
Friend says:
hmmm… does it cost anything, come to think of it?
BlackTar says:
probably per received message
BlackTar says:
with MAP and stuff!!!
BlackTar says:
‘It is free to use Buddy from mother.no in August and September!’
Det er gratis å bruke Buddy fra mother.no i hele august og september!
BlackTar says:
[mobile phone number]?
Friend says:
yes
Friend says:
HELL! Why don’t I get a passsssssssssword
BlackTar says:
took 3 tries before I got one
BlackTar says:
search (reception) SMS WAP* and WEB
1 person NOK 3,00
Group 2-5 persons NOK 5,00
Group 6-10 persons NOK 8,00
Friend says:
I’m not effing receiving one
Friend says:
maybe they canceled my subscription thingy?
Friend says:
haven’t tried to call lately…
BlackTar says:
wap & web per gprs.. . hmm whatwhat what
BlackTar says:
you need to invite people
BlackTar says:
so I’ll try to localize myself then
Friend says:
bah
[snip, snip, snip. Digression about HL2 screener, SMS gambling services, gen BS]
BlackTar says:
so
BlackTar says:
I’ve invited myself now
BlackTar says:
to netcom buddy
BlackTar says:
but now the html doesn’t work
BlackTar says:
damned stuff
BlackTar says:
part of the secret about the sms thing is that it shouldn’t be as committing and explicit as the classifieds
BlackTar says:
so that you can remain anonymous but still create a feeling of excitement and adventure
BlackTar says:
so that most people possible would use it
Friend says:
yup.. the [Norwegian data storage supervision department] would probably like it too
BlackTar says:
BUT then you can of course choose to make it explicit by way of our anonymous sms chat system!
BlackTar says:
and that costs money ™ per message
Friend says:
the problem is to beef up the user numbers…..’
BlackTar says:
yes – the secret to that is to place the bar as low as possible
BlackTar says:
once they’re ‘in’ they’ll have a lot of features to burn away the money on
BlackTar says:
or they can stick with the simple features – which cost money still
BlackTar says:
it mustn’t cost too much either
Friend says:
join for free.. increase 10 cents per use until fixed price of NOK 3 or whatever
BlackTar says:
I think a fixed price per received message is the way to go
BlackTar says:
some services [features] are of course more expensive than others
Friend says:
important: finding out how the triangulation thing works with the telcos.. if it is at all possible to buy this service [from them]
BlackTar says:
it is – if they make money on it
BlackTar says:
think about it this way – we would be doing the least amount of work possible : 1. Own the rights 2. Manage the concept 3. Harvest money
BlackTar says:
the best bit is that the telcos would be responsible for the integration and technical parts themselves
BlackTar says:
we just want money per license and share per received sms – we are only going to invest in the concept
BlackTar says:
see the presentation on rebel.as
Friend says:
the technical part is there.. it just needs to be hooked up with the Whoremonger ™ sms services
BlackTar says:
yes, and that’s not our responsibility
BlackTar says:
that costs money
BlackTar says:
and those interested in making money on their networks should carry those costs
BlackTar says:
if we only make something that talk in standard tongue [made with open standards]
BlackTar says:
then the rest should be fine
BlackTar says:
I think the essence is to create a concept with a low bar for participation, and at the same time offer flexible and advanced features
Friend says:
hmmm.. the input part in itself … registering … criteria .. must work on mobile .. have to be pretty vague? preformatted multiple choice?
BlackTar says:
that’s of the essence
BlackTar says:
creating something that WORKS here
BlackTar says:
that concept must be thoroughly thought and worked out
BlackTar says:
where the already proven technology bits only gets included as independent elements one takes for granted
BlackTar says:
the concept is really just a combination of existing technologies and a proven business model – combined in a new way with a kickass ‘frontend’ (if you catch my drift) on top of it all
Friend says:
Indeed! I’m just a bit busy — must get things done in a hurry!
BlackTar says:
oki
BlackTar says:
me too – really – but can’t be bothered to work :-\
Friend says:
I’m attending a meeting soon and need to have stuff finished :=
Friend says:
“but can’t be bothered to work” so true so true . it’s boring
BlackTar says:
it’s eating me away
BlackTar says:
slowly